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Additional Interesting Jackie Green Emails

October 22nd, 2010 by jake · 7 Comments

Since so many people have asked me non-stop questions about this Greg Fischer – Jackie Green election fraud mess, I figured I should release a few more interesting emails. Nothing major. But just provides an insight into the beast.

Take, for instance, this email from a Green campaign supporter to the campaign about compiling a list of the reasons Greg should drop out for Jackie – on September 10:

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:50 AM, John Hartmann wrote:

Jackie wants us to compile a list of the reasons that Fischer should step down as a candidate running on the Democratic ticket.

We need to add to the list below

Tyler Allen Shannon White(both Denocrat primary contenders) both endorsed Heiner

Greg fischer never been to Metro Council meeting

ORBP is Dead

ORBP losing democratic support

Fischer not been on TARC until april—he is out of touch

We need an election around issues Jackie and Heineer bring to the table

Fischer supports East End development that hurts existing neighborhoods

Fischer moved jobs out of Louisville to S Indiana –we need to verify that

Thanks,

jh

Later that day, Jackie sent this email to the group, highlighting that list:

From: Jackie Green
Date: September 10, 2010 2:07:53 PM EDT
To: John Hartmann, Alex Ward, Ben Evans, Carole and Andy Wolak, Carole Bretschneider, Cherisa Williams, Curt Morrison, David Low, Denis Oudard, Emily Boone, Jake Wildstrom, Jared Flanery, John Hartmann, John Paul, Josh Wilcox, Lem Mason, Lillian Slaughter, Lisa Underhill, Maura Mason, Natalie Schoenbaechler, Nate Pederson, Richard Caldwell, Sean Byrne, Spencer Scruggs, Tyler Hess, Whitney Kirzinger, Zachary Tatum, James Sidell, George E. Lee Jr., Eddie Davis, Melanie Smith, Diane Rabinowitz
Subject: Call for Fischer to step down

Thanks for input. We need more reasons added to this list of why Fischer should step down. Grateful. Jackie

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Greg fischer never been to Metro Council meeting

ORBP is Dead

Fishcer is losing support in ranks of democrats (two previous Democrat candidates have endorsed Heiner)

Fischer not been on TARC until april—he is out of touch

We need an election around issues Jackie and Heineer bring to the table

Fischer supports East End development that hurts existing neighborhoods

Fischer moved jobs out of Louisville to S Indiana –we need to verify that
ORBP would create unsustainable development producing corporate strip mall areas in Southern Indiana and Eastern Jefferson County.

Fischer is not a real progressive Dem.

Pander to businesses we don’t need.

Not a sustainable VISION

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Read more about self destruction, fantasies and more proof that Jackie Green isn’t the amateur political bystander in this mess after the jump…

On September 12, Jackie was still talking about Fischer’s self destruction and fantasizing about asking him to drop out of the race:

From: Jackie Green
Date: September 12, 2010 7:27:24 AM EDT
To: Lem Mason, John Hartmann, Alex Ward, Ben Evans, Carole and Andy Wolak, Carole Bretschneider, Cherisa Williams, Curt Morrison, David Low, Denis Oudard, Emily Boone, Jake Wildstrom, Jared Flanery, John Hartmann, John Paul, Josh Wilcox, Lillian Slaughter, Lisa Underhill, Maura Mason, Natalie Schoenbaechler, Nate Pederson, Richard Caldwell, Sean Byrne, Spencer Scruggs, Tyler Hess, Whitney Kirzinger, Zachary Tatum , James Sidell, George E. Lee Jr., Eddie Davis, Melanie Smith, Diane Rabinowitz
Subject: Re: Re: Call for Fischer to step down–Development rant

Lem, thanks.
Fischer is doing a good job of self destructing, am inclined to wait on calling him to step down.
Jackie

Funny to watch Jackie change his tune, isn’t it?

As late as October 10, Jackie was still distrustful of Fischer and was working to embarrass him publicly:

From: Jackie Green
Date: October 10, 2010 11:30:34 AM EDT
To: Campaign Supporter

can you viral Greg’s statement on talking to people with…

Communication just days after Jackie Green announced his mayoral candidacy….
Jackie Green: Greg, I’d like to sit down with you & talk about a couple of issues, namely, transportation & land use.
Greg Fischer: Jackie, you are competition now, I don’t think we should talk.

Jackie Green

And on October 13, Jackie had a bit to say about negotiations with Fischer. He met with him on the 12th and his campaign staff and supporters on the 14th:

From: Jackie Green
Date: October 13, 2010 7:32:24 AM EDT
To: GreenList Louisville
Cc: Sean Byrne, John Hartmann, Tyler Hess, Carole Bretschneider, Phil Ardery, Ben Evans, Alex Ward, john paul, Denis Oudard, Curt Morrison, James Sidell, Josh Wilcox, James Harvey
Subject: Re: WHAS interview–then debate???

Andy, Sean, Ben
you are why this campaign is strong.
thank you for reminding / clarifying.
thanks for the term ‘reality check’

meeting with Greg yesterday was preparatory to progress (no immediate breakthrough)
had several phone conversations with his team after the meeting
meeting with three of them this afternoon

jlg

I find all of these messages interesting not because of Jackie Green’s disdain for Greg Fischer, but because they illustrate Jackie’s ability to remember small details. The very thing he suddenly claims to have a problem with.

Tags: Bad Behavior · Greg Fischer · Mayor's Race 2010 · Oops

7 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Futureman // Oct 22, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    He sounds kind of delusional, no? Green is sitting at 3% and seems to seriously consider asking someone out polling him by 40% to step down.

  • 2 jake // Oct 22, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Uh, “kind of” delusional?

    I think you mean filled to the brim with delusion.

  • 3 Steve // Oct 22, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Wow! Thanks Jake for providing us with more emails. Mr. Green is beyond delusional.

  • 4 Linda // Oct 22, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    It certainly does provide corroboration for the notion that Green was promised something in exchange for the endorsement. For how else does one go from saying this to Fischer in an open letter on 10/9–”The reality of limited resources (financial, material, natural, spacial, temporal, etc.) requires that we prioritize. Either/or scenarios are not ‘false choices’ as you suggest – rather, they tap our power to spawn innovation. And finally, there is a definition of sustainability better than ‘productivity and diversity over time’ – it is ‘meeting our needs without diminishing the ability of others, present and future, to meet their needs.’” to endorsing the same ‘spawn innovator’ on October 15th, with the rumor being you were promised ‘input’ on developing an Office of SUSTAINABILITY. Stink-o.

  • 5 Tyler Hess // Oct 22, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    delusional to some regard? But an expectant father, business owner and operator, cyclists, and stressed out 57 year old as well.

    Jackie wanted to push Sustainability issues past Nov.2 but do so more effectively than as a citizen. Talking with Greg was the best way he thought possible.

    Greg polls at 40% because in my opinion, voters just say “Yeah, whatever I’ll vote my party – not the issues”

    Urgh, thanks for the light shed further

  • 6 what? // Oct 23, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Can you people say “tactic”?

  • 7 Stunoland // Oct 23, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    I don’t question Jackies motives at all but on many issues I think his positions do not fit the real world. Louisville will not have an urban growth boundary. That is a political reality because the people in So. Indiana, Bullit, Oldham, and other counties are not willing to forgoe their own economic interests for the good of the region. That being a reality it makes no sense for Louisville to cut off all Jeff. county development because the developers will just locate further out in the exurbs and the city will be even less compact and public transit friendly. Yes we should push brownfield development over greenfield but some companies are going to want to locate out in the far east or south ends of Jefferson County. From a tax base and public transit perspective that is preferable to Bullit or Oldham County. Jackie’s biggest error in his assessment of reality is his opposition to an east end bridge. Based on polling this project is clearly something the public wants and building a bypass would remove traffic and air pollution from the core of the city. Jackie’s recent polling was somewhere around 1.5% because of his lack of pragmatic thinking. polling below 5% actually harms the causes he champions.

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