Like Clockwork, Allen Endorsed Heiner

Here’s the scene from today:


Here’s the release:

LOUISVILLE, KY – Citing Hal’s ability to lead Louisville from day one and provide a fresh start for Metro Government, former Democratic mayoral candidate Tyler Allen today endorsed Hal Heiner for Mayor.

“This election is about the serious business of building Louisville’s future and I believe Hal Heiner is the only candidate with the passion and experience to lead this city from day one,” stated Mr. Allen. “While we may not agree on everything, I firmly believe Hal is a leader we can trust to move this city forward and fulfill the promises of merger. His openness to innovative ideas and willingness to bring new people into the process will make Louisville an even better place to live in the years to come.”

Hal enthusiastically welcomed Tyler into the campaign:

“Tyler represents the next generation of leadership in Louisville and I’m honored to have his endorsement. His energy and commitment to Louisville was unmatched in the Democratic primary and I look forward to working closely with him as we move forward in the final weeks of this campaign.”

Mr. Allen is the second Democratic mayoral candidate to endorse the Heiner for Mayor Campaign, joining former Democratic mayoral candidate Giant Orange Sign Lady.

I think this is a big move for progressives in Louisville. And it could sway a good deal of South Enders toward Heiner, as many in that part of town seem to be jumping off the Fischer ship.

78 thoughts on “Like Clockwork, Allen Endorsed Heiner

  1. Heiner’s lack of Prop 8 support doesn’t mean anything. Because we’re in Kentucky, not California. And because he still contributed $20,000 for an anti-gay poll in 2004.

    Heiner hasn’t said one thing and done another on the gay front. He’s consistently discussed his stupid actions and has consistently said he won’t have any part in fussing with Fairness if he becomes mayor.

  2. I think he couldn’t fuss with Fairness if he wanted to. But even so, his “stupid actions” have caused real harm to people across the commonwealth and, had his position not been rejected by a bipartisan group of thinking councilcritters (is that an oxymoron?), in our city. Fischer’s campaign posturing hasn’t done that and that’s why I’m not as worried about him.

  3. I’m another gay Democrat that’s leaning toward Heiner. Probably the gayest one, in fact. And I have this question for Bruce Maples: When you want to compare Heiner’s voting record, what will you be comparing it to? Greg Fischer’s Nielsen surveys?

  4. James R., you’re the one who thinks this is a big issue for our city — you ask the question.

    To me, global warming is a federal/international issue. And yes, I think it’s real and human-caused.

    A city mayor doesn’t have much to do with this matter, no matter where they stand.

    If you want me to take Heiner down a peg, then he will need to say he’s against the city recycling program — that will hit much more closely to home for me.

  5. And I’m sorry, but I’m just going to say it…

    Hobnobbing with upper-class gays at fundraisers, including one at The Connection… does NOT make Fischer any special champion of LGBT rights.

    I would ask my fellow LGBTs to look beyond their self-interest. I know many of us already are, but the number of us doing that isn’t high enough.

    The future of the city, its economy and its infrastructure is at stake. Let’s not hand this to a phony with no record on transparency or anything and talks like a corporate robot.

  6. “I would ask my fellow LGBTs to look beyond their self-interest.
    The future of the city, its economy and its infrastructure is at stake.”

    Thanks Steve, you said it much better than I.

  7. Responding to Jake 46- Hal gave the $20,000 to the organization supporting the anti-gay marriage amendment in Kentucky. That made him one of the top 20 contributors to the thirteen 2004 campaigns in the entire nation. Here it is: http://www.followthemoney.org/press/Reports/200601271.pdf. How the proponents of the amendment used it was their business. And what difference does it make how they used it? (It’s like Pitino’s defense that his money was used for insurance.) In my view, being one of the top 20 contributors to all of the anti-gay marriage amendment in the entire US makes you anti-gay.

  8. Heiner’s folks have been able to produce documentation that the ask was to pay for polling.

    As I’ve said repeatedly – stupid on Heiner’s part. You can spin it however you like.

    I just know who has lied the most and who has made the most shit up in this race. And it’s Greg Fischer. So Fairness can bitch and moan all it wants. If Fairness really backed Greg, then he would have received a fat endorsement in the primary instead of everyone at Fairness trashing him all over town.

  9. If you care about the long term economic health of the city of Louisville it is impossible to overstate the importance of stopping or altering the terribly designed downtown ORBP. Once Louisville tolls itself to build some of the world’s ugliest infrastructure on its image defining gateway the city will be effectively unmarketable and will begin a slow 100 year downward spiral. Attracting and retaining talented workers (most of whom are very open minded on social issues) will be increasingly difficult as Louisville comes to be defined by the biggest urban planning mistake of the 21st century: tolling itself to become the first and possibly on city to expand an elevated waterfront expressway. As the economy is choked by the shortage of human capitol (the brain drain) Louisville’s reputation on other progressive fronts will suffer. The likelihood of improvements in gay rights, the arts, social programs, public transportation, and the restaurant scenee will be greatly diminished.

    Neither candidate is saying the right thing on the bridges issue at this point but Heiner has shown a streak of sanity by stating that the project can be split into 2 phases with the east end portion financed seperately. Once this project is split and the east end bridge is built without tolls the likelihood of the current incarnation of the downtown boondogle being constructed will decrease greatly. As recent as a couple of weeks ago a friend had a discussion with Fischer in which he stated (incorrectly) that it is impossible to split the project and Louisville can either have 2 bridges or none. Fischer’s connections with Abramson and his donor base make it less likely that he will be open to streamlining the project. Maybe I’m wrong about this and Fischer is not just blowing smoke by talking about a plan B. I welcome Fischer supporters to prove me wrong by contacting their candidate and asking him to change his position or at least clarify what exactly a plan B would look like. Regardless of who wins the mayors race we will continue to pressure the decision makers in Louisville because we want to live in a city with a functioning economy, not the Detroit of the south.

  10. Interesting discussion. First, Tyler Allen does not have coattails–especially in the southend. The value of his endorsement is twofold. One, it shows that Fischer has failed to unite democrats/progressives and two, it seals Allen’s fate as a perrenial fringe candidate. Allen effectively said my pet issue is bigger than the party. He blew enough of his own cash in the primary to earn his bitterness.

    I’ve always been a yellow dog democrat. In fact, the only two democrats who I remember voting against in Louisville were Jim “Pops” Malone and Jerry Bronger. Greg Fischer will be the third.

  11. responding to jake 59 – Really, who is spinning it? If you or anyone else wants to support Hal Heiner for any reason it is your business and your right . But to imply that it makes any difference that the $20,000″ask” to Hal from the anti-gay marriage amendment group was for “polling” is just silly. If that group needed $20,000 for polling, as all political groups do, and got it from Hal, it just means that the next $20,000 it raised could be used for the vile and homophobic anti-gay marriage ads it ran. You know that. And Hal knew that . So let’s get serious. And honest. Hal Heiner was one of the 20 leading contributors IN THE ENTIRE NATION to the anti-gay marriage amendment campaigns in 2004. http://www.followthemoney.org/press/Reports/200601271.pdf. You call that stupid. A lot of us think it’s worse than that.

  12. Stadtguy: As you know (probably) Jerry Bronger is supporting (BIG) George’s son in this race. Bronger and George were compadres back in the early Brown administration and claim to be Flaget grads. Bronger’s support for George’s son has been IGNORED (but known) by the CJ. We all know why it’s been ignored.

  13. They’re afraid Jerry’s convict status would hurt Abramson II.

    Or maybe the CJ is afraid Jerry’s (not his fault, since we all have them in our families) family members in the drug trade would harm Greg.

  14. Tyler Allen’s actions pretty much ends the dream of 64 tear down. I voted for him and now regret the support and money I gave him. Now, he is asking me to go with Hal “Tea Bagger” Heiner? No way! No more support for Tyler Allen. I agree that Heiner has smartly been to the left on OBRP. In terms of Tyler’s campaign, he seemed to have one good idea but nothing else. His stump speech was about as bad as Fischer’s I have three goals: jobs, jobs, jobs and at what cost to the environment? For example, Old Louisivlle’s efforts to turn one-way streets into two-ways on was not supportied by Tyler in a community forum. 10% in a Democratic primary is terrible, its about as bad as say UK beating UofL 100 to 10. His showing assured the power elite / growth machine that BLVD of Dreams has only a small little support. Tyler’s campaign was terrible in terms of vision. Jackie Green at least has a “green vision” but unfortunately his packaging as a radical tree hugger with a bad clothes and smell hurts him. If Heiner wins, Tyler will forever be known as the Ralph Nader of Louisville. By the way, have you noticed the CJ has started running pictures of Fischer which don’t make him look lie a lost little boy or the old saying: like a deer lost in the headlights. Bottom line, why doesn’t Fischer run as a progressive Demorat and caputure the base?

  15. Wow. Hal really did contribute $20,000 to the anti-gay amendment campaign:

    from the Kentucky Registry of Election Finance:
    HEINER, HAL
    12910 SHELBYVILLE RD.
    LOUISVILLE, KY, 402430000
    Employer : CAP STONE REALTY
    Occupation : REALTOR INDIVIDUAL Contribution
    $20,000.00 on 08/19/2004
    VOTE YES FOR MARRIAGE COMMITTEE
    OSTRANDER, KENT for
    CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT #233A-2004 – STATEWIDE
    GENERAL – 11/02/2004

    Isn’t giving $20,000 to that committee being “anti-gay”? People sure thought so when they found out that Renee True gave just $100 to the same committee:

    Jake Payne – April 22, 2010 – Page One:
    “Renee’s such a gay-hater she not only supported the anti-gay marriage amendment, she contributed financially to Kent Ostrander’s mess.
    If she feels that strongly about an issue – that she financially supported writing discrimination into the constitution – what on earth makes anybody think she’s not going to discriminate or do something equally ignorant as an elected official?”….4/24 “how can you possibly say that contributing to a large amount of money to KENT OSTRANDER and the FAMILY FOUNDATION is not a sign of being homophobic?”

    Don’t understand this “poll” thing in some of the comments. The registry reports Heiner’s contribution went to Ostrander’s anti-gay campaign committee, just like Renee’s. I thought I remembered Ostrander’s committee running radio ads supporting the anti-gay amendment. It didn’t just do polls, did it?

  16. You can continue to spin all you want and can continue to pretend that I’m defending Heiner. It’s clear that I’m not. What are you trying to prove to yourself with information we’ve discussed at length? Because this doesn’t change anything.

    What I know – and what folks have proved to me – is that Heiner contributed $20,000 for polling. And there was, as many have discussed, $20,000 worth of polling done right after his contribution. And he was and is stupid for making that contribution.

    And, let’s be clear, anonymous, I don’t ever comment as “Jake Payne” and never refer to myself as such. There are few who do. But I do, indeed, have the balls to use my name when commenting here on my own website.

    P.S. The only person who continually foams at the mouth about this is Chris Poynter. No one else seems to care – most certainly not Fairness, as many within leadership tell me they like Hal Heiner.

  17. I just don’t understand – what is different about Hal Heiner’s contribution and Renee True’s contribution, to the same committee (except their sizes, of course)? And why shouldn’t we all think Heiner’s contribution makes him anti-gay, homophobic and a risk in office, just like Page One thought Renee True’s did?

  18. Quit playing stupid.

    I can say it again and again: Heiner says he contributed the funds for polling, which happened. That doesn’t excuse his contribution. But that’s what the funds were for.

    Renee True’s an idiot who would do anything to work against the gays. And she’s not running for mayor of the state’s largest city. She’s changed her name and is now a registered Republican in Lexington.

    Anyone – including you, Chris/Will/Whoever – can speak with Hal Heiner and quickly discern that he’s not a homophobe.

  19. What’s Worse: The reason Fischer can’t run as a Progressive Democrat is because he’s really a conservative Democrat at best (but probably a DINO), and most people know it. And his continued conservative position on the ORBP will only increasingly estrange him from the progressive left.

    A key reason more and more progressives are supporting Heiner is because he’s outflanking Fischer on the left, while Fischer is stuck because his masters from River Fields and the C-J editorial board won’t allow him any flexibility.

  20. Well Mr. Magruder we often don’t agree on things but you have said it well and better than me. It makes me feel so ill it gives me a acid sour stomach of yuk, yuk, yuk. So explain this to me: Why would somone like Gill Holland embrace Fischer over other candidates who were more progressive. That puzzles me. In terms of jobs, who is getting the jobs. The Arena crew had a sizeable number of folks coming in from Indiana to put together the project. I suspect that a good number of jobs will go to folks outside of the Metro area. One wonders why he doesn’t think in terms of how driving will fall once gas hits $5 a gallon in a few years as experts who own the oil wells proclaim or how the East End Bridge will reduce downtown demand. Why not jobs that rebuild the infrastructure including houses bike lanes in Louisville

  21. opps pushed submit to quickly before edits!
    Well Mr. Magruder we often don’t agree on things but you have said it well and better than me. It makes me feel so ill it gives me a acid sour stomach of yuk, yuk, yuk. So explain this to me: Why would somone like Gill Holland embrace Fischer over other candidates who were more progressive? That puzzles me. In terms of jobs, who is getting the jobs? The Arena crew had a sizeable number of folks coming in from Indiana to put together the project. I suspect that a good number of jobs will go to folks outside of the Metro area. One wonders why he doesn’t think in terms of how driving will fall once gas hits $5 a gallon in a few years as experts who own the oil wells proclaim or how the East End Bridge will reduce downtown demand for bridges and freeways. Why not jobs that rebuild the infrastructure including houses and bike lanes in Louisville? Now that is much better! Anyone else can chime in if you like.

  22. Don’t care about global warming, it is a cyclical issue – and the manmade element isn’t from the U.S. but from China, etc. As for “fairness” – hire the best people and don’t worry about a person’s sex life. (But also, don’t dye your hair pink and talk in graphic detail about your sex life at work, whether gay or hetero. )

    I care about the best candidate for the city, and for me, having heard both – it’s Heiner by far. He talks in specifics, I can’t figure out what Fischer is talking about half the time. And sorry, owning a business in Indiana doesn’t help matters.

  23. WW: Gill Holland was likely already friends with Fischer, and besides, Holland is a developer, and as one, you almost have to schmooze with those who are most likely to win or come close to winning an election.

  24. Gill’s family is backing Greg Fischer. So how could he not? And he’s a re-developer of properties in need of rescue – not someone making a living at it.

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