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	<title>Comments on: Swift Behind Butchertown Character Assassination</title>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://thevillevoice.com/2009/11/13/swift-behind-butchertown-character-assassination/comment-page-1/#comment-63895</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let them move out of town, either retrain the workers to do something else or better yet let them put the plant in Shelby County, Bullitt Co, or over in Indiana somewhere. It could be done just as well over in some remote place without all the fussing and bitching. 

Even better is the fact that you could let the workers move to where the plant is going to be located. That way you can get rid of the problem. If the people of Louisville don&#039;t want it, then send it somewhere that does or put it somewhere there won&#039;t be much if any opposition on a big estate or farm.

Give them an incentive to move it and their workers or offer retraining and that way everyone gets something for it and Butchertown can be a gentrified art community. In fact, when I can find me a job, I&#039;ll be looking at leaving Louisville and moving elsewhere that still wants basic industry instead of coffee houses, retail, and nail salons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let them move out of town, either retrain the workers to do something else or better yet let them put the plant in Shelby County, Bullitt Co, or over in Indiana somewhere. It could be done just as well over in some remote place without all the fussing and bitching. </p>
<p>Even better is the fact that you could let the workers move to where the plant is going to be located. That way you can get rid of the problem. If the people of Louisville don&#8217;t want it, then send it somewhere that does or put it somewhere there won&#8217;t be much if any opposition on a big estate or farm.</p>
<p>Give them an incentive to move it and their workers or offer retraining and that way everyone gets something for it and Butchertown can be a gentrified art community. In fact, when I can find me a job, I&#8217;ll be looking at leaving Louisville and moving elsewhere that still wants basic industry instead of coffee houses, retail, and nail salons.</p>
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		<title>By: EdenSprings</title>
		<link>http://thevillevoice.com/2009/11/13/swift-behind-butchertown-character-assassination/comment-page-1/#comment-63627</link>
		<dc:creator>EdenSprings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoning?  Do we actually have zoning laws in this town that are enforced?  Like, you need a valid permit before building a soccer club or something?  Get OUT!  I had no idea!

(PS: I use a pseudo because I&#039;m really a secret agent for the CIA)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoning?  Do we actually have zoning laws in this town that are enforced?  Like, you need a valid permit before building a soccer club or something?  Get OUT!  I had no idea!</p>
<p>(PS: I use a pseudo because I&#8217;m really a secret agent for the CIA)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark H (Not Hebert)</title>
		<link>http://thevillevoice.com/2009/11/13/swift-behind-butchertown-character-assassination/comment-page-1/#comment-63598</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark H (Not Hebert)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said the broke the law.  Who is spinning?

The law is ridiculously weak.  If the law allows them to revoke their longtime operating permit, then it&#039;s a stupid tax on Swift.    

The law needs to be toughened and maybe business won&#039;t signor them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said the broke the law.  Who is spinning?</p>
<p>The law is ridiculously weak.  If the law allows them to revoke their longtime operating permit, then it&#8217;s a stupid tax on Swift.    </p>
<p>The law needs to be toughened and maybe business won&#8217;t signor them.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
		<link>http://thevillevoice.com/2009/11/13/swift-behind-butchertown-character-assassination/comment-page-1/#comment-63596</link>
		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark H:  You&#039;re spinning again.

The Butchertown-Swift fight isn&#039;t just about relocation - it&#039;s about JBS Swift refusing to following the law and ignoring zoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark H:  You&#8217;re spinning again.</p>
<p>The Butchertown-Swift fight isn&#8217;t just about relocation &#8211; it&#8217;s about JBS Swift refusing to following the law and ignoring zoning.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark H (Not Hebert)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark H (Not Hebert)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the whole situation is that both sides seem seemly.  

What makes this so interesting is that it exposes one of the problems we face as a country.  This situation exposes the desperation many people in the country are starting to realize.  The realization that we as a nation face a future economy with a drastically shrinking job market for unskilled labor.  

Swift has seized upon that fear to rally the Union in its defense against the neighborhood opponents.  They knowingly didn&#039;t apply for the permit because they knew it would be opposed and they knew if they just went ahead and did it, the penalty would be minimal. 

Likewise, I am getting tired of people wanting to make others incur financial loses and hardship over their personal desires.  If they want Swift to move, take up a collection from the neighborhood and pay for Swift&#039;s move.  

I&#039;m not sure if the positions both sides are taking, stink more than than the plant does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the whole situation is that both sides seem seemly.  </p>
<p>What makes this so interesting is that it exposes one of the problems we face as a country.  This situation exposes the desperation many people in the country are starting to realize.  The realization that we as a nation face a future economy with a drastically shrinking job market for unskilled labor.  </p>
<p>Swift has seized upon that fear to rally the Union in its defense against the neighborhood opponents.  They knowingly didn&#8217;t apply for the permit because they knew it would be opposed and they knew if they just went ahead and did it, the penalty would be minimal. </p>
<p>Likewise, I am getting tired of people wanting to make others incur financial loses and hardship over their personal desires.  If they want Swift to move, take up a collection from the neighborhood and pay for Swift&#8217;s move.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if the positions both sides are taking, stink more than than the plant does.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can also confirm that there&#039;s no evidence &quot;Richard S&quot; is affiliated with Swift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can also confirm that there&#8217;s no evidence &#8220;Richard S&#8221; is affiliated with Swift.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for the record, I don&#039;t have any connection to Swift or the Butchertown neighborhood. I&#039;ve just seen this scenario played out several times in Louisville and elsewhere. It usually involved homeless shelters, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for the record, I don&#8217;t have any connection to Swift or the Butchertown neighborhood. I&#8217;ve just seen this scenario played out several times in Louisville and elsewhere. It usually involved homeless shelters, though.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t require registration because I trust that most people can be adult and handle grown-up discussion.  Unfortunately, some cannot.  But I won&#039;t let that ruin for the vast majority of people who act responsibly.

No one says anonymity kills credibility.  Just when someone lobs ignorant personal attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t require registration because I trust that most people can be adult and handle grown-up discussion.  Unfortunately, some cannot.  But I won&#8217;t let that ruin for the vast majority of people who act responsibly.</p>
<p>No one says anonymity kills credibility.  Just when someone lobs ignorant personal attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: KYGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>KYGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark - I will stand down on &quot;mocking&quot; Steve&#039;s last name. I did so out of disgust over his dragging that fuschia herring of his through nearly every comment thread with anonymous posters. I&#039;m equally disgusted with his chest pounding approach toward what he calls cowards. If that isn&#039;t childish and taking pot shots, then what is it? 

Again, I will refrain. I doubt, however, if Steve will. His history on this site has made it clear that his pet issue is one he intends to use to pollute nearly every thread that has anonymous comments with which he might disagree.

And Jake - I agree that those who continually spin and get facts wrong should be taken to task. I&#039;m sure your web stats can give you plenty of info about who is misrepresenting themselves. All I ask is that you be careful swinging that broad brush. I don&#039;t have a dog in this Swift fight and, frankly, it&#039;s not an issue on which I feel qualified to comment. I only rang in on this when I saw the tiresome crapola from Steve Magruder.

If being anonymous here automatically makes one irrelevant then why not require registration? It&#039;s your website, Jake, and I know you&#039;ll run it as you see fit. I&#039;m just a reader and contributor. But, just for the record, from this point forward, anytime I see someone attacked for being anonymous I will see someone losing an argument just as sure as if they&#039;ve trotted out the &quot;Hitler&quot; comparison. It&#039;s a lame, weak attack of last resort.

I apologize if this has diverted the thread and it will be my final comments on this issue. Unlike Steve, who has sworn in past posts to club this mare over and over and over again until we all bow to his opinion about anonymous comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; I will stand down on &#8220;mocking&#8221; Steve&#8217;s last name. I did so out of disgust over his dragging that fuschia herring of his through nearly every comment thread with anonymous posters. I&#8217;m equally disgusted with his chest pounding approach toward what he calls cowards. If that isn&#8217;t childish and taking pot shots, then what is it? </p>
<p>Again, I will refrain. I doubt, however, if Steve will. His history on this site has made it clear that his pet issue is one he intends to use to pollute nearly every thread that has anonymous comments with which he might disagree.</p>
<p>And Jake &#8211; I agree that those who continually spin and get facts wrong should be taken to task. I&#8217;m sure your web stats can give you plenty of info about who is misrepresenting themselves. All I ask is that you be careful swinging that broad brush. I don&#8217;t have a dog in this Swift fight and, frankly, it&#8217;s not an issue on which I feel qualified to comment. I only rang in on this when I saw the tiresome crapola from Steve Magruder.</p>
<p>If being anonymous here automatically makes one irrelevant then why not require registration? It&#8217;s your website, Jake, and I know you&#8217;ll run it as you see fit. I&#8217;m just a reader and contributor. But, just for the record, from this point forward, anytime I see someone attacked for being anonymous I will see someone losing an argument just as sure as if they&#8217;ve trotted out the &#8220;Hitler&#8221; comparison. It&#8217;s a lame, weak attack of last resort.</p>
<p>I apologize if this has diverted the thread and it will be my final comments on this issue. Unlike Steve, who has sworn in past posts to club this mare over and over and over again until we all bow to his opinion about anonymous comments.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Damien&quot; - I was referencing people actually from Swift.  Folks who comment from home and those who - low and behold - comment from work.

A lot of their comments don&#039;t make it to publication because they&#039;re too vile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Damien&#8221; &#8211; I was referencing people actually from Swift.  Folks who comment from home and those who &#8211; low and behold &#8211; comment from work.</p>
<p>A lot of their comments don&#8217;t make it to publication because they&#8217;re too vile.</p>
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