Comments on: Bring Your Sidearm to Church Day http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/ a critical take on Louisville news Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:07:37 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Robert http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/comment-page-1/#comment-47225 Robert Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:57:06 +0000 http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/#comment-47225 Sirico , I arm myself not because I am fearful but because I am prepared for the possibility that some crook might attempt to deprive me of my life, liberty and happiness. Do you not keep a fire extinguisher at home? Do you not carry auto insurance? Do you not keep extra money in savings and extra food in the house in case your boss tells you you can only work 20 hours this week, not 40? No it is not fearfulness my friend but confidence and prudence. Sirico ,

I arm myself not because I am fearful but because I am prepared for the possibility that some crook might attempt to deprive me of my life, liberty and happiness.

Do you not keep a fire extinguisher at home? Do you not carry auto insurance? Do you not keep extra money in savings and extra food in the house in case your boss tells you you can only work 20 hours this week, not 40?

No it is not fearfulness my friend but confidence and prudence.

]]> By: Tex Tucker http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/comment-page-1/#comment-47209 Tex Tucker Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:47:06 +0000 http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/#comment-47209 Sirico, you seem to like statistics, so here you go. There are approximately 300,000 sworn peace officers in the U.S., and assuming they don't work 24/7, splitting into three shifts would leave 100,000, but wait they don't all work 7 days a week so with a 40 hour work week, sick days, vacation time, and training, we have about 55,000 on duty cops at a time. The population of the U.S. is approximately 305,000,000, and the Washington Post says last year we topped 1 prisoner for every 100 people, that's over 3,000,000 prisoners and that doesn't include the ones we haven't caught yet. And you wonder why one might be fearful when we are in public, 1 cop for every 5540 of us, c'mon even you have to admit they can't protect all of us right? And the highlight of all of this is, these crimes are happening in "gun free zones" schools, churches, post offices, and courthouses. Don't worry I'm not going to ask you to carry a gun, you obviously aren't up to the responsibility that many of us are. So please just go away, you bother me kid. Sirico, you seem to like statistics, so here you go.
There are approximately 300,000 sworn peace officers in the U.S., and assuming they don’t work 24/7, splitting into three shifts would leave 100,000, but wait they don’t all work 7 days a week so with a 40 hour work week, sick days, vacation time, and training, we have about 55,000 on duty cops at a time. The population of the U.S. is approximately 305,000,000, and the Washington Post says last year we topped 1 prisoner for every 100 people, that’s over 3,000,000 prisoners and that doesn’t include the ones we haven’t caught yet. And you wonder why one might be fearful when we are in public, 1 cop for every 5540 of us, c’mon even you have to admit they can’t protect all of us right? And the highlight of all of this is, these crimes are happening in “gun free zones” schools, churches, post offices, and courthouses. Don’t worry I’m not going to ask you to carry a gun, you obviously aren’t up to the responsibility that many of us are. So please just go away, you bother me kid.

]]> By: Sirico http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/comment-page-1/#comment-47185 Sirico Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:18:04 +0000 http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/#comment-47185 That is very much a logical extension of the paranoid, delusional and rabidly fearful Fundamentalist mind-set. Robert, -Why do you feel a need to strap on a gun? Do you feel fearful or defenseless in public without one? If so, why? Robert says: "It upsets them that they and the people they elect can’t control other citizens". -Who are "they", and what do you mean when you say "they" are trying to control you and other citizens? Robert says: "What amuses me about those who disparage us law-abiding gun owners is the name calling they are so quick to dish out to anyone who does nots hare their beliefs". -No one that I am aware of is calling you names. Robert says: "You see, we respect the views of the non-gun owners". -Ah, the topic of this thread was "open carry" your gun to church, not gun control. That is very much a logical extension of the paranoid, delusional and rabidly fearful Fundamentalist mind-set.

Robert,

-Why do you feel a need to strap on a gun? Do you feel fearful or defenseless in public without one? If so, why?

Robert says: “It upsets them that they and the people they elect can’t control other citizens”.

-Who are “they”, and what do you mean when you say “they” are trying to control you and other citizens?

Robert says: “What amuses me about those who disparage us law-abiding gun owners is the name calling they are so quick to dish out to anyone who does nots hare their beliefs”.

-No one that I am aware of is calling you names.

Robert says: “You see, we respect the views of the non-gun owners”.

-Ah, the topic of this thread was “open carry” your gun to church, not gun control.

]]> By: Robert http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/comment-page-1/#comment-47174 Robert Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:57:39 +0000 http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/#comment-47174 What amuses me about those who disparage us law-abiding gun owners is the name calling they are so quick to dish out to anyone who does nots hare their beliefs. "That is very much a logical extension of the paranoid, delusional and rabidly fearful Fundamentalist mind-set." Is typical from the Left. What truly upsets them is that there are people who are able to take care of themselves without being babied along by the government It upsets them that they and the people they elect can't control other citizens. The Left always prides themselves on "standing up for the little guy" and that they are "tolerant" and "pro-choice". My message to them is: I AM that "little guy". I'm a construction worker and an electrician. You want me to be tolerant of your views but when I disagree with you the name calling starts. The "tolerance" never goes both ways. And yeah I'm "pro-choice". I choose to not be a sheep in a world of wolves. I choose to arm myself; not as an offensive means but to defend myself, my family and other innocents nearby who might come in harm's way. You see, we respect the views of the non-gun owners. It is their right and I would not presume to belittle them or try to change their minds. It sure would be nice however if we were accorded the same consideration. What amuses me about those who disparage us law-abiding gun owners is the name calling they are so quick to dish out to anyone who does nots hare their beliefs.

“That is very much a logical extension of the paranoid, delusional and rabidly fearful Fundamentalist mind-set.” Is typical from the Left.

What truly upsets them is that there are people who are able to take care of themselves without being babied along by the government It upsets them that they and the people they elect can’t control other citizens.

The Left always prides themselves on “standing up for the little guy” and that they are “tolerant” and “pro-choice”. My message to them is: I AM that “little guy”. I’m a construction worker and an electrician.

You want me to be tolerant of your views but when I disagree with you the name calling starts. The “tolerance” never goes both ways.

And yeah I’m “pro-choice”. I choose to not be a sheep in a world of wolves. I choose to arm myself; not as an offensive means but to defend myself, my family and other innocents nearby who might come in harm’s way.

You see, we respect the views of the non-gun owners. It is their right and I would not presume to belittle them or try to change their minds. It sure would be nice however if we were accorded the same consideration.

]]> By: gutshot http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/comment-page-1/#comment-47108 gutshot Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:42:48 +0000 http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/#comment-47108 "Is anyone else out there disgusted by this?" Disgusted by free citizens exercising their constitutional rights? No,never. What would digust me is that the government or the press would attempt to intimidate people into not exercising their rights. Carrying a gun in KY is constitutionally protected behavior. “Is anyone else out there disgusted by this?”
Disgusted by free citizens exercising their constitutional rights? No,never. What would digust me is that the government or the press would attempt to intimidate people into not exercising their rights. Carrying a gun in KY is constitutionally protected behavior.

]]> By: Mad Dawg http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/comment-page-1/#comment-47028 Mad Dawg Thu, 04 Jun 2009 04:40:09 +0000 http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/#comment-47028 Jeff: *** That is very much a logical extension of the paranoid, delusional and rabidly fearful Fundamentalist mind-set. *** A robber comes into a woman's house in Ky. and shoots her three children before her eyes. He had been previously slapped on t he wrist for armed robbery elsewhere. True story. I assume you fasten your seatbelt. Are you paranoid? I'm not paranoid, and if I'm awake, I'm armed, wherever it's legal. Jeff:
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That is very much a logical extension of the paranoid, delusional and rabidly fearful Fundamentalist mind-set.
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A robber comes into a woman’s house in Ky. and shoots her three children before her eyes. He had been previously slapped on t he wrist for armed robbery elsewhere. True story.

I assume you fasten your seatbelt. Are you paranoid?

I’m not paranoid, and if I’m awake, I’m armed, wherever it’s legal.

]]> By: Mad Dawg http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/comment-page-1/#comment-47027 Mad Dawg Thu, 04 Jun 2009 04:35:02 +0000 http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/#comment-47027 Sirico (again) *** There would be far more innocent people killed/injured due to miss-fires, collateral damage to bystanders in gunfights, etc, than criminals. *** You know this how? These days misfires are so rare as to verge on non-existence. You'd be amazed at the engineering of the modern handgun. Hollow points rarely pass through the target. And my experience is that amateurs are more careful and less likely to fire wildly than police are. We drill, man! We practice. Those of us who have been in situations where the "bad guy" presented a weapon would just as soon never be in such a fix again. But we are ready. (I showed the guy my gun, as I checked around and behind him. I aimed at his head. He changed his mind. We both lived. I'm glad I had a gun.) Sirico (again)
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There would be far more innocent people killed/injured due to miss-fires, collateral damage to bystanders in gunfights, etc, than criminals.
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You know this how? These days misfires are so rare as to verge on non-existence. You’d be amazed at the engineering of the modern handgun. Hollow points rarely pass through the target. And my experience is that amateurs are more careful and less likely to fire wildly than police are.
We drill, man! We practice. Those of us who have been in situations where the “bad guy” presented a weapon would just as soon never be in such a fix again. But we are ready. (I showed the guy my gun, as I checked around and behind him. I aimed at his head. He changed his mind. We both lived. I’m glad I had a gun.)

]]> By: Mad Dawg http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/comment-page-1/#comment-47026 Mad Dawg Thu, 04 Jun 2009 04:26:44 +0000 http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/#comment-47026 *** Putting guns in the hands of a non-professional and adhering to the “Wild Wild West Theory” is not the answer. *** Just having a pistol is not the answer. Having a pistol, practicing, and thinking about it IS the answer. We can't outsource self-defense. When one consults the data, one finds that an armed citizenry is a deterrent to violence. "Wild West" is mostly a phrase the timid use to avoid thought. Real gun fights tend to be at close range and quickly resolved. Aquinas puts his treatise on Just War in his larger treatise on Charity. TO be armed and ready to defend oneself or the defenseless is an act of love. My family needs me not to be dead -- not yet anyway. And those too irresponsible to bear arms needs those who take up that burden to protect them. It's that simple. ***
Putting guns in the hands of a non-professional and adhering to the “Wild Wild West Theory” is not the answer.
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Just having a pistol is not the answer. Having a pistol, practicing, and thinking about it IS the answer.
We can’t outsource self-defense. When one consults the data, one finds that an armed citizenry is a deterrent to violence.
“Wild West” is mostly a phrase the timid use to avoid thought. Real gun fights tend to be at close range and quickly resolved.
Aquinas puts his treatise on Just War in his larger treatise on Charity. TO be armed and ready to defend oneself or the defenseless is an act of love. My family needs me not to be dead — not yet anyway. And those too irresponsible to bear arms needs those who take up that burden to protect them. It’s that simple.

]]> By: DC Wright, USMC Retired http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/comment-page-1/#comment-47025 DC Wright, USMC Retired Thu, 04 Jun 2009 04:22:31 +0000 http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/#comment-47025 The writer seems to think packing weapons to church is a bad thing. I would strongly disagree. ANYONE packing a firearm ANYWHERE is not only exercising a basic human RIGHT, but is also contributing to the safety of his or her community and boldly declaring his or her intent of doing just that. However, my personal policy is that for those who so vigorously dislike firearms, not only will I not argue with you, but I will respect your decision and not ever come to your rescue should someone realize how helpless you've made yourself and decide to cause you harm. Fair enough? The writer seems to think packing weapons to church is a bad thing. I would strongly disagree. ANYONE packing a firearm ANYWHERE is not only exercising a basic human RIGHT, but is also contributing to the safety of his or her community and boldly declaring his or her intent of doing just that. However, my personal policy is that for those who so vigorously dislike firearms, not only will I not argue with you, but I will respect your decision and not ever come to your rescue should someone realize how helpless you’ve made yourself and decide to cause you harm. Fair enough?

]]> By: Govenor1 http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/comment-page-1/#comment-47019 Govenor1 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:48:45 +0000 http://thevillevoice.com/2009/06/02/bring-your-sidearm-to-church-day/#comment-47019 Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition! Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

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